Welcome to our podcast, shockers Learning Out Loud, where we talk about the fear, the excitement, the setbacks, and most importantly, the accomplishments that come along with being an adult learner. That was your host, Dr. Pamela O'Neil. And I'm your co-host Dr. Amber Anderson. And we are the office of Online and Adult Learning. Although our department merged happened recently, Pam and I have been having fun collaborating for years. We have one goal at Wichita State, and that's to advocate for our online and adult learners. Our students are working full-time jobs, caretaking for a family member, raising families themselves and involved in the community. So, needless to say, their time is limited, and we know that, and we've been there. We get it. Our office wants to advocate for your success, so stay tuned for the voices of your adult learning peers as we unpack funny fails, inspiring wins, and mostly the adult learning experience With us today is adult learner, Cynthia Pazzini. Welcome. Cynthia. Why don't you get us started by telling us a little bit about yourself? Welcome, Cynthia. Okay. Thank you for making time to come in and it's freezing outside. Thanks. Yes, it is. But thanks for the invitation. I'm very happy to be here to share the story of my return To education. Yes, it's been a long road. Um, my name is Cynthia Pizzini, as you said. I am a business major at the Barton School of Business. My major is marketing with a focus in real estate. I've recently added a minor in sports management just because I didn't think Gojis I didn't think The business part was enough, so I added a little bit more on top of there. And um, I am 52 years old. Nice. We're like age sisters cuz I turned 52 in November, so yeah. Awesome. You look a little bit younger than me though. You Look young too, Pam. She looks younger. Because I keep active. Okay. I don't, don't stop. Yes. That helps A lot. So how do you stay active? What do you do? Um, I, well, the Y M C A here is really convenient because I can have a bit of a break between classes, so I can always head on over there for about an hour and kind of unwind after the eight o'clock class. That always helps. And, um, when the weather is better, I ride my bike. That's right. You are nice. Yeah. You're an avid bicyclist. I am. So I ride my bike to school and back home, so that's, and I haven't been doing that because of the weather. Right, right. So I'm, I'm kind of got used to doing that, so I miss it. I bet. Well, I'm waiting until next month and hopefully it's a little warmer. I can get back out there. Yeah. So I'm gonna go ahead and ask why, why return Wichita State at 52 or 51 her half over old You were? Um, yeah, I, first of all it was here. Okay. And I just recently moved back to, or moved to Wichita. My husband moved back to Wichita. He's a native Wichita Inn in Wich, Wichita. I think that's Whatin. Is that the right Wichita? Yeah. He's from Wichita. Yeah, He dragged me back here. So it's between Wichita and New York, which is my hometown and Wichita one for a few different reasons, and one of them being cost of living. Oh, Sure. So we moved back and I was offered a position when we got back to the States after we, we had been traveling for quite a while and, uh, I had all the qualifications except for the degree. Oh. So could not get the position. Awesome position. But, um, that kind of motivated me, happened one more time after that, and then that, that really kickstarted Everything. Never again, Really kickstarted it. You're Not the only adult learner that has that Experience. So it's kind of one of those things. Mm-hmm. um, even with, you know, all the experience I had was ticked all the boxes, but that one thing kind of like stopped the train. So that's, that was the main motivator for me. Okay. And the fact that I live across the street. I had I had no excuse. That's Cool. Yeah. So That's, that was, that was the why. Okay. Uh, you talked a little bit maybe about this. My next question is mm-hmm. about your support system. Who is your, like here at Wichita State and then maybe outside of Wichita State, we've all recognized another, when Amber and I have talked, uh, our support system and how important that was. Um, who's, who do you, who's your biggest cheerleader or Who inspires you? Who inspires Cynthia? The world traveler. Yikes. Inspirations. Let's see. Um, my son inspired me when I said I was going back to school. He was the only one who didn't flinch He was Like, oh, it's about time. Oh Good. Oh, good for Him. So that's, that's, he's a big one. Um, let's see. My grandkids of course, because yeah, I had to beat them to college Sure. So that was another why Okay. Yeah. Yeah, because They're, they're almost there. So I had to get in before they did. Um, yeah. My husband is a huge support system. Yeah. Nice. He's, he's very patient. I have very little time now and I like kind of, um, don't over schedule, but it's just little bit too much going on sometimes for him when, you know, he has a break and I mm-hmm. absolutely don't have the time or When you, you Get asked very, very patient To come do a podcast. Right. Isn't Here. Yeah. No, I do a lot of stuff. I'm always on campus. She does. And she does our photo shoots And everything. Yeah. Yeah. I always here. Right. So, and this office is, uh, a big support system for a lot of us adult learners. It's nice to know you have somewhere to go. Right. I've often thought about that. I came to ATRA State in oh two and Oh, I talked about this office, not existing, um, one Restaurant in the rsc. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, it was the last back in our day, But we still had that support system. There was the professors and staff. Staff members. Members. Right. We, Amber and I both talked about how we had those people at Wichita State. We tried to be those people because Right, right. We've Had it. So it's kind of this payback Kind of thing. Yeah. And that, that's kind of on campus. The professors I've had are very, um, kind of like cheering. You can kind of tell that they're like super excited to Yeah. Yeah. I've had a few of them tell 'em, oh, I'm so happy you're in the class. Um, I think it's because of the communication too. Um, our school has brilliant people in it. They're not very vocal. And it's just, I figured out after being here, um, almost a year now, that it's just, it's, this generation hasn't grown up like we did communicating with each other. Mm-hmm. Right. Everything's very text focused, internet focused, not very kind of social media. Yeah. Interpersonal relationships. They're not great at. Yeah. Do you remember when we used to write handwriting notes and then folding 'em up in that cool little note and pass it to each other? High school? Yeah. Right. Yes. Were great. No. So the, it's so I think they enjoy the fact that if I have a question, I'll ask the question. Right. If they ask a question, I'll try my best to answer it, because there's a lot of silence. Yes. Yes. So I think that's one of the things that they enjoy actually getting feedback, because it's almost like you're, Because you're a leader. Yeah. And, and just, I feel bad for the professor. You're up there and you're, you're waiting for feedback. You wanna know if it's, you know, if your material is landing. Right. Well, and I Think when you get silence mm-hmm. So, you know, I've been in front of that before. I've done that word you're presenting or something. Right. And you've faced that and you know how daunting that is and how bad that feels. Yes. And so you are the one giving that voice, um, to where I think sometimes a traditional student mm-hmm. Is just kind of intimidated and cricket. That's Yeah. Yeah. It is. Big time. Crickets. I Think that's another cool thing about adult learners too, because, uh, they are the leaders of the classroom. They have the experience and they're mm-hmm. Pulling in real life examples and they're making, they're putting, they're breathing life into the content. Well, Amber, you just said something that I've often said that adult learners bring is that experience and sometimes maybe the reason the students aren't answering the questions, they don't know the answers or don't have anything to contribute because they haven't felt that They haven't seen it. They haven't Correct. Experienced it. That too. And so that's, I, I've, I've taught at WSU public speaking a couple times mm-hmm. And I've been able to see adult learners like yourself, and every time there was an adult learner in the classroom, the traditional students just kind of gravitated mm-hmm. towards That adult learner. I get that a lot. Mm-hmm. do you? Yeah. Yes. I get that. I have one class where the instructors very brilliant. Mm-hmm. a little bit Like socially awkward or Shy. No, not at all. Quirky. She's, yeah. Quirky But also I think the, the way the the material is presented is very elevated for, it's like a, a kind of, you need to read the room. Yes. Um, and it's very possible. It's the only way she knows how to conduct a class, right? Mm-hmm. perfectly fine, but it's going over the head of a lot of the people. So, um, I'm good at not necessarily taking written notes. This class requires a lot of graphing. I have every graph and I've compiled this, and it just gets bigger and bigger and bigger. So after every class, I just share it out with everyone. Same. So everyone gets the graph, because I can explain it in Graph Formm, where the professor really explains it, the spoken word, and she explains the concept, different style concepts and totally different style, but the visual is what helps a lot. So it's kind of like, Do they like it? Do They, they love it. Nice. And It's colorful. I can only imagine. And it's, you know, it's, it's fun. You gotta make it fun, because it's not a fun subject. Sure. Yeah. So you have to be creative. Yeah, Of Course. I've had, uh, when I was doing my doctorate, I would do my dissertation. And I, and oddly, I was a young person in class, and I, everybody was, had like 10 to 15 to 20 years on me. And not only would they breathe life into the content and break it down for me, like maybe my mom would, or like, they, they're just so relatable. I would also do things like bettering my life in other realms too. Like, I, I signed up for a, a nutrition class and I lost some weight. I mean, it's like all encompassing. It's not just Right. Um, academic stuff that you can learn from adult learners mm-hmm. because they're all, all knowing. Yeah. Not, not quite. That's why we're sleeping With your most snowing My travel, um, comes up quite a bit in most classes because in every class, you know, the first week you have to introduce yourself and mm-hmm. it's what I've done the last 20 years is travel mm-hmm. So it's a big part of my introduction. Right. So, and it comes into play in a lot of the different, um, subjects. English, even in economics classes, when we talk about international, uh, business and, you know, markets, international markets and tariffs. And I've experienced it. I've actually lived it. I cynthia's like, it makes Dubai, My experience was, So, it makes it a little bit more relatable to people also, when you hear someone, um, who's actually lived in and can explain it more than just what's in the book. Right. She makes it more 3d. Mm-hmm. So the, it the concept comes across a little bit better. And it's not just a fantasy that you're reading in the book. It's relatable. Yeah. It's real life. It happens. You know, you're describing a lot of the advantages of being an adult learner. We always talk about all the different advantages that we have. We do. But there are some, there are some challenge, there are challenges, different challenges. Do you agree, disagree? What are your thoughts on, uh, What's your perspective on Well, the, I think the biggest challenge for me so far has been that everyone just assumes I'm an instructor or Okay. That's a new one that I Yes. That I live here, or that I, you know, that I work here. Right. Okay. So they're like, oh, I should know. I'm a student. Everyone who meets me just automatically assumes, which I've just gotten used to, right? Mm-hmm. So, um, it's just one of those things, um, which is, I mean, not a, I wish I get the discount and the benefits and everything else, but until that time right? Yeah. So I just have to explain that over and over all the time. Um, but I think, I don't, I don't find that many disadvantages to it. That's probably like the only thing that like bugged me Terrible. I'm not your instructor. Mm-hmm. You need a T-shirt. I am not your I. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So I, I haven't kind of run into any real disadvantages as far as Yeah. Because a lot of people think maybe you come in and you're not gonna feel like you belong, or Yes. Oh yeah. Everyone Says that. Yeah. And it's not like that at all. I agree. Yep. I am so Glad most people are so focused on themselves. They Don't even, especially when you're 19 and 20 and 21 Yes. They don't even know that you're no judgment. You're sitting there. Right. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're thinking about other things, So, no, it's just, you know, it's everyone comes in and they're just super focused. Yes. Yeah. You know, so nobody's really worried about that. I'm 52 and A grandma. Yeah. Right. Yeah. I'm so glad you said that because I know when I talk to students who are even just thinking about it, and they're like, I'm probably going to be the oldest of oldest Person in the world. Yeah. And well, yeah. I said, you know what? Sometimes you might be Yep. But that's okay. Because the students actually, I mean, I was 31 and most of the, when I was taking, when I started mm-hmm. And so I had 18 and 19 year olds around me. But you would've thought I was just an 18 or 19 year old. Yeah. Um, having those conversations because Yeah. They, they took me in as basically their own mm-hmm. And that's what you're seeing and feeling as well. Yeah. Yeah. And it's, it's one thing that I, I've spoken to, they were, oh, I wish I could. Of course you can. Why can't you? Yeah. You know? So they think that it's gonna be so awkward that it's gonna be, uh, something that they wouldn't be able to focus on anything else. That's all anybody's ever gonna think. It's, you know, that you're the oldest person in mm-hmm. it doesn't matter. It's like, it really doesn't really, the, the professors don't care. Right. And your classmates sure enough are not paying attention. So they're On the Next thing, doesn't matter. Yeah. Yep. And it's, it's great. I love it. Yeah. Well, we are, uh, recording this in the Joe Stone lounge. Mm-hmm. and Joe Stone was 93 when he got his degree. And so we, uh, we kind of point him out, or at least I do. Yep. As you know, it, it's not too late. And so when they say, oh, you know, I'll bring the students in, and I, I point out the picture of Joe Stone, and they're like, oh, okay. I think it helps them feel a little bit better. Pop them into a different Mode. Yeah, yeah. Different perspective. Exactly. So, Cynthia, how would you describe, let's go to like one of your most stressful days academically, trying to balance everything. You're almost gonna have a breakdown. What did that look like for you? Because you're so graceful and all knowing and really relatable and a traveler, a model, whatever. And I'm a writer too. Oh, man. But, So describe your worst day to us. had to do with writing Really Was the worst. I had two papers due, and of course I was trying to work and juggle and do, and, and the time kind of slipped by me. So now I'm like, I have to finish both. It probably like less than 24 hours. Mm. And they were both started, but they were nowhere near finished. Mm. So how'd you do it? Oh, I didn't sleep. Red Bull. Lots of coffee, right? Yeah. I jumped around, I danced a little bit. You put on the music, he gets a blood flow. Shake it Out, right? Yeah. And I, I probably, and when that happens, I try to switch environments. So I'll go from the couch and then I get up and I go and sit in my office chair. Right. Then I have a futon in my office, and I get up and I'll work from there for a little bit. But it was a straight, probably 14 hours. Wow. Wow. Street. How'd you do on those papers? Do you mind me asking? Do you I do. They were all ass Probably grades. Yeah. I knew it. Yeah. I knew it. I knew it because I came up with something just kind of like yours. It was one paper I'd forgotten about. And I looked at my syllabus and I was like, oh, shoot, Yeah. That is due tomorrow. And I stayed up late and I got like two or three hours of sleep, handed it in, and I thought, oh, here it comes. You know, I'm going to have this bad grade. And I didn't. You're a good writer too, though. Well, thank you. Disclaimer. I try it. I well, I, I enjoy writing, but sometimes adult learners and I don't know, I don't wanna say, this is you. I came from this. Oh, I'm not good enough kind of feeling. Or that I had to prove myself. Would you, you say you would feel that way? Or is that not No's not in my dna. Uh, oh, man. I can't, I can't jealous. I can't see that. Yeah. I can see that about you. No. And everybody tells me they like, oh, I waited 30 years to come back to school. Right. Yeah. There is no way I'm not gonna do well, I'm Not doing, I love it. I'm not taking a class over again. I'm not, no, no, no, no, no. Mm-hmm. Yeah. There's no stopping. Yes. It's one of the, the biggest advice I give. What, what advice would you give us? Don't stop. Yeah. Yeah. Oh my goodness. Because going back mm-hmm. is rough. It is, I think the hardest, rough, the hardest part for me was actually one, convincing myself I could do it. And then two, going to the physical location of the university and actually putting myself there once there. Is that what you found? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I think once I ca I came to orientation mm-hmm. And it just became real, because before that it was email here, Uhhuh And I'm, I'm so thinking about it. Yeah. And then they would email me back the admissions office, the very persistent Yes, they are. They're very good. Yes. At what they do. Right. And they wouldn't, they wouldn't let up. It was text message and email and, and I couldn't forget about it cuz it, the email was always in front of me. Sure. Right. And then finally they were, were okay, just set a date for the orientation and then, you know, if come visit don't like it, it's not the end of the world. You, you know, and then that was it. I think once I walked into the orientation, it became really real and I looked around and I was like, oh, I can do this. Yeah. Yeah. Excitement, like maybe your anxiety turned to excitement. I think the excitement came when I sat down with, um, my first, um, like, what Do you call the breakout sessions? The Advisor. Advisor. And you were talking about classes and what classes you were gonna take. And I was like, what? And I'm glad because that's one thing. It's just, you have to use all your resources and that's one really important resource to use. The advisors are there for a reason. Mm-hmm. Um, of course at the beginning of the semester there's appointments and you have to book this and you know, you have to get a slot. But like now, when the semester's off and running, they're kind of just, you know, not necessarily just sitting there, but they're, They're available to you. They're available all the time. I'm so glad you said that time. Mm-hmm. because that's what kind of kept me focused and on track was knowing that I'm gonna have to report back to my advisor. Right. Yeah. And they're gonna see my grades. Yep. You know, not only did I want the A's and the B's mm-hmm. to prove it to myself, but I knew that at some point I was going to have to sit down with that advisor. Sure. And you know, he was going to ask me, well, how'd that go? Yeah. How'd that work out for you? Yeah. Or, yeah, when I was taking my, when I was taking German and I thought, you know, I don't want to take the, the next one. And my advisor looked at me and she said, you can do anything for 16 weeks. That's true. And you know what? That's true. It is, isn't it? Absolutely true. You can do college algebra for 16 weeks. 16 weeks. Yeah. Yeah. And if you kind of look at like that, that really helped me. But it was going to that advisor at least once a semester. Yeah. Yeah. I go twice. Good. Yeah. That's Good. Yes. Because my time management and my juggling kind of, you know, she calms me down, first of all. Good. And don't worry about it. It's, you can push it off. It doesn't have to be now, just think about it. But it has to be done eventually. But it doesn't have to be now. Right. Because, you know, you start like, oh, if I don't have this, I can't take this. She's like, okay, don't worry about it, You got it. You have time. I think we all do that. Like, builds up and then you cry cuz you can't match This up. So I just go to her office, Uhhuh, So she sees me way more than one time. That is okay. Yeah. I like That. I, I'm there quite a bit. Yeah. But she's very helpful and it's an amazing resource. Good. And yeah. And people think, oh, it's for freshmen or, you know, first year student. No way. I, I've had a lot of people tell me that, oh, that's only for first year students. No, I don't. Nope. I just go on there and I, I'm like mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. So did you have any college previous to coming to Wichita State? Yes. And I think that is a big influencer too. Mm-hmm. on what you're going to take and knowing how it transferred over. Yes, yes. Unfortunately. Mm-hmm. um, because I waited so long Right. To come back. My institution is no longer in business. Oh. Or so You don't have access to, to transcripts. I have access to transcripts, but the institution cannot be, uh, verified as accredited. Accredited. Oh. So a lot of my, well, none of my credits transferred. Gotcha. So Yeah. We have to start from square one, which after 30 years, it's actually not such so bad because half of the stuff I don't remember. Right, right. You know, I was offered to test out of a few, which I mean, at that point I could have, but for the time that it's, it really, it was fine. Mm-hmm. it, it worked out well. So, So Cynthia, you know, I know some of our listeners are probably thinking, well I'm 50 years old, um, and I may have other, you know mm-hmm. been in your situation as you're sitting there in class and yes, you probably forgot something, but are you ever surprised at what you Remembered all the time? Right. Okay. Yes. Every day. Yes. Oh, I'm like, I know this Right. And you may not know where you learned it or how you learned it, But it's There Somewhere. Yeah. Yeah. And so that would be something I would say to our listeners is you, I think you'd be surprised at how much you Remember your instinct is Oh, really incredible. Sharp now. Right. Because you have all the experience And Right. You know, all you need take a multiple choice question. Mm-hmm. it's just really common sense mm-hmm. And if you've lived to 50, you can probably best it test It's Really common sense. Yes. It's A lot of it. If you read it and you reread it and you, and you, it's just process some of elimination and Yes. Yeah. That life experience is worth all its own degree. Sure. Yeah. It really is. It's Interest, interest value. Mm-hmm. is what we've Come to Learn. Yeah. You guys have drive unlike anybody else coming to school. It's, it's, you made a choice and it's gonna happen. Mm-hmm. get out of the way. Help me. Or get out of the way. Yeah. That's a lot of our students. Yes. Yeah. So after you graduate Hmm. What's, what's, what's next? What's your, what's either job, your dream job? Yeah, yeah. What is Cynthia's dream? Oh gosh, Job. I don't know if I really have a dream job. I, I kind of switched midstream after I enrolled to a marketing real estate focus because I started volunteering a lot with the homeless population mm-hmm. and started kind of really researching the lack of affordable housing. And, and it's not just in big cities, it's everywhere. Mm-hmm. it's rural, it's everywhere. Right. Doesn't matter. And there are ways that it can be remedied, but it takes a lot of people on the same accord. There's government, there's private, there's non-profit, there's, there's so many ways. But I'm trying to figure out a way to use my degree kind of to, to fall into that category. Yeah. So more kind of just on the affordable housing, um, aspect of the real estate mm-hmm. So whether it's developing new projects or working with people who are, um, just to it not absolutely eliminate homelessness. Right. But health would really doesn't need to be at the levels it is now. Right. Yeah. So, and Wichita's making strides. Mm-hmm. they just, I think need a little push and you're gonna be there. Exactly. You and I, we were on the same page. We're thinking little push. Yeah, Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, my dad, he's a, he struggles with PTSD and anxiety and depression from, um, he's a vet and he always tells us, if I didn't have you guys or the VA hospital, I would be homeless, I would be out on the streets mm-hmm. because I wouldn't have had the knowledge to get medication or asked for resources. So Yeah. The resources are a big thing and sometimes even when the resources are available and obtained mm-hmm. the mental health part of it. Right. Kind. It's just, it's like a chain that keeps breaking mm-hmm. So you can get, you know, the help, but you have to kind of have someone that's really, really in your corner that's going to keep you on the right track. Like an advisor. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You could do that. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah. That's exciting. Yeah. Um, we talk, Amber and I do a lot about the resources and being here for our students so that we can show them the resources that we can be those kind of people for our students. Right. And so you're wanting to take this probably one step bigger or outside the community Yeah. And be that resources and know that person and do all, am I Hearing correctly? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Wow. We, I was first generation. Mm-hmm. college student. Mm-hmm. Well so am I actually, Sorry. Are you a lot of mistakes. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, we, we often talk to about being a first generation college student. Um, any advice for what first generation college students or what has that experience been like for you? Can you speak about that for a little bit? Well, I think now there, there are quite a few, um, usually in minority communities it's a big thing. Yes. Again, because of the economic factors involved. I mean, eating and feeding your children and having a roof over your head usually takes precedence. Mm-hmm. over getting the degree and sitting in college and Yep. So it's totally understandable. Um, I think usually when it's a first generation student, the family is usually very proud that they're actually taking the step mm-hmm. Right. To, I wish I could have. You'll hear that a lot. Yeah. I wish I could have. Don't mess up cuz I wish I could have. Yeah. You know? Mm-hmm. so you hear that a lot. Um, so that's, it's just wonderful when you have that kind of like motivation behind you mm-hmm. um, it's a lot of pressure. Mm-hmm. um, I saw that a lot when I was in China. So it's not a matter of, of, I think you need to first of all do it for yourself and not do it for your family. Not because your dad wants you to do it, or your mom wants you to be a, a doctor or dentist. Or a lawyer, or you have to do it for yourself knowing that having the degree you'll have a better life. Right. It's, it's really statistically and just it is what it is. Mm-hmm. it is just the truth. I have a poster in my office at my house, and Michelle Obama has a quote in there. Mm-hmm. When it gets difficult, think about the people that were in that made it possible for you to be where you are today and the people who are depending on you. And I think that's what I just changes your perspective. It really does because I know, uh, I talk, Amber talked about being the doctoral program. Mm-hmm. And myself too. I've got, uh, a lot of nieces and nephews, especially those nieces looking up to say, Hey, you know, what's Aunt Pam doing? Mm-hmm. And when it gets really hard, it's like, oh, I, I, I, you know, I I'm doing it for myself. Don't get, don't get me wrong. Right. But I know that I've got a couple eyes in the, you know, watching me see you Yeah, sure. What Aunt Pam is doing Yeah. To see where you end up and Right. You know, what you're gonna do with all of, because it's work, it's an investment. Yes. You know, coming back to school is absolutely an investment. Mm-hmm. whether you're investing money or you're investing time, it's still an investment. Mm-hmm. Yes. And yeah. You just have to know that it's gonna take a little, little sacrifice mm-hmm. but it's not forever. That's right. 16 weeks at a time. 16 weeks at a time. Yes. 16 Weeks. 16 weeks. 16 weeks at a time. Okay. So as you all have experience by now, Cynthia's kind of an expert in many realms. Um, Cynthia, what would you say or how would you define your learning out loud moment? Hmm. I think I was so used to being the boss. Mm-hmm. because I was, for a long time, the Delegator. Um, I, yeah. That was a big thing. Mm-hmm. I don't, I don't have anyone to delegate to, so Oh, Yeah. No one to say, Hey, write that. I'm gonna write this paper. You write that paper, this is what we need to get done today. Right. And the weave mean to you, you it Means to you how do wanna do it? Where do you wanna Do it? So that was, that was a big Yeah. I don't have anybody to send this email to, to answer it and Yeah. And write this paper for me. I have to do this. Yeah. This is, I have to do this, I have to do that. This, that, that's it. Yeah. I have to do this. And there's, at the end of the day, yeah. That's what it's about, I would say. And we always get it done. It's just, you know, it's, it's sometimes a bumpy road. Sure, sure. But um, yeah, it always gets done. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Well thank you Cynthia, for joining us. We always love talking with you. Um, I wanna go ahead and invite our listeners to share their own l o l moments, uh, whether they're funny fails or inspiring efforts. Uh, so if you want to share, we would love to hear from you from our podcastPage@wichita.edu slash shockers, l o l. Or you can just email us at adult learning@wichita.edu. Thanks again, Cynthia. We really Appreciate it. Thank you. We love for having, we love having you. That was fun.